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Definition of Child Abduction
by Michelle Townsend / Posted 31/01/2010 / Updated 24/02/2017
My question is ´Is the definition of child abduction correct´? If a mother and child are known to the police, are claiming income support and have a fixed address - then how is this child abduction? Especially when the father had said repeatedly go back to the Uk and had reduced the maintenance to such a low level that I couldnt afford the rent even on a studio flat in spain?
Surely child abduction is where a child is taken without warning and no-one knows of their well being or where they are living?
I cannot believe that these traumas are still being endured by women. Men use the hague to get back at their ex wives. They want to hurt the wife at any cost and threatening to take away children of the imprison them gives these callous men exactly what they want.
Why are there not a chain of internation womens refuges set up in all the states signed up to the hague. Why isnt the money put into keeping the women and children safe on their return instead of paying mens legal costs to act as perpetrators of domestic violence.
If men wanted the wives and children to stay then why did they abuse them in the first instance. Emotional abuse and the loss of freedom all constitute domestic violence.
In this day and age I cannot believe that a UK government allows mothers and children to suffer so.
My ex-husband has never visited his daughter from spain since the final papers were obtained in May 2006 from a spanish judge.
Once his power to abuse was taken away - he just never visited.
My daughter is 11 now, and because I have been open with her and said that she can see him at any time - she is fairly well adjusted. She says she hates her father though and is angry that he has never written back to her - even though she has written to him.
Where is the support to help women and children once they have been returned?
Why is nothing still not being done about it?
The hague is a disgrace and I doubt that if you go beneath the politics it is actually having much success.
If a man wants to take achild and hide - then he will do it1 that is child abduction.
Thank you for listening.
I sympathise with your story and completely understand what you and your daughter have been through over the past few years. My daughter was abducted by her father in the early 90´s and taken to the middle east. She was abducted in the true sense of the word and as you described. Taken without any warning!. It took me 2 years to get her back! I fought until I had no strength left to fight. It was then I was sent an angel and through his help and me my daughter and I were reunited. I had to snatch her. I homed in on your comments with regards to no help "after" the event and all the trauma that you and your daughter went through. I have written a book that is soon to be published and with the proceeds I intend to set up a facility that will provide support onsite and links to professionals if not available inhouse. It will be the first of it´s kind in the UK!. As a mother who has lived every second of what so many parents are going through now i felt compelled to write my book and take the necassary steps to try my best at getting such a facility in place. Do take care and who knows maybe this time next year you and your daughter will visit one of my proposed support groups :o). Hope being ther keyword....
Without doubt you have suffered.
However whilst I am able to sympathise somewhat,we are only hearing your side of the story.
I hvae experienced my daughter been taken from my by her mother whereby the mother has then proceeded to manipulate and brainwash my child against me.
But with much patience and understanding on my part as well as the intervention of Spanish social services I am seeing my daughter every month (at the moment)after a period of not seeing her for more than two years (due to her mother).
I can not comment on your ex ,but there is nothing to be happy about in knowing that your daughter does not want to see her father;unless of course there is more to this situation than you have mentioned?
I returned to the UK with my daughter but was forced to return her to Spain after a few weeks.
I did have contact with my daughter for some of the time initially but my husband in the end moved house and changed all his contact numbers. I managed to talk to her at school but in the end my husband put a stop to that (private school and he was paying the bills)
I had no contact with my daughter for 5 months and had not actually seen her for 8 months – My ex worked overseas 4 -5 weeks at a time and my daughter was left with his new girlfriend. I went to Spain to try and find her but they simply disappeared on holiday until I had to return home as I had run out of money.
I got myself a job in the UK and hired a lawyer – My first court hearing took place and the decision was made by the Spanish judge that my daughter should be returned to me in the UK. 6 weeks later I was finally told that I could go and collect her from Spain. This was the first time I had seen her in almost a year.
She ran straight to me and we drove to the airport – as my ex husband had ‘lost’ her passport we managed to get on a flight with her birth certificate.
The final hearing was several months later – during the wait my daughter visited him in Spain – this was part of the court order, what was not part of the order was the telephone contact with her father which I allowed – I bought her her own mobile and also the extended stay in Spain over the summer which again I allowed at my husbands request.
The result of the hearing was that the Judge awarded me a divorce and permanent custody of my daughter with visitation rights for my ex husband. I have told him that I will be flexible to allow longer visits with him during the summer holidays than the judge ordered.
I want my daughter to have a relationship with her father – however his behaviour is disgraceful. He kept her away from me with no contact for the best part of a year whilst he left her with his girlfriend to go to work. It broke my heart – I didn’t even get to speak to her on her birthday.
In return I have allowed telephone contact – something the court did not ask me to do – I also allowed a 5 week visit in Spain in the summer – the court had only ordered she have to go for 3 weeks.
My ex husband refused to give me any notice of when he would collect her at Easter and didn’t give me the details until the day before.
He has now appealed and we have to go through this again......
This is not about what is best for my daughter but more about continuing to have control.. It is so sad when people use children as weapons
this is why the site is here, for the genuine fathers, and to stop people from up rooting there children to live some where and stay over seas with people they dont even know mothers like that should not have children.
if your ex has just done it to piss you off thats bad but dont judge everyoneby your ex´s standards
Parental Kidnapping is A New Form of Child Abuse. Child stealing is child abuse.
Hague is the best hope for left behind parents.
The whole purpose of Hague is to dissolve international borders in cases of international parental child abduction. This is to facilitate returning the child back, and also so that one can deal with the local laws all your marriage/personal problems where both spouses have habitually resided.
Also, country of births and citizenship should not be confused, because, that is the sole purpose of Hague to diminish those barriers which separate people´s identities. (or remove mis-identifications about where we belong.)
If any spouse has a marriage problem with their partners, it does not give them the right to take away the kids and flee to another country or their home country. They must deal with the local laws where you are habitually resident with your spouse. Apply for custody or divorce, or see a marriage Councillor, apply for a relocation order, and then move out respectfully out of the country.
Plz do not just take the kids, pack up and flee out of the country. It is not only immoral, unethical but also a criminal offense under law to wrongfully retain the kids in another country away from a parent.
Every child has a God given right to have 2 parents. No one parent should consider self-authorizing themselves to be taking away this right from the other parent.
My wife deceitfully took my 2 children to Norway for summer holidays (her parents live there). My wife is Norwegian national but my children are British National as well as Norwegian.
Now she has decided to stay in Norway and not come back to the UK. I am only allowed to speak with the children on the phone after very few days but not allowed to visit. Is there anything I can do in the UK (via police, courts) to initiate legal proceedings for her deceitful action to return my children back to UK. My children are 14 and 12?
However, evidently many parents who have bitter feelings against HC are the ones who had HC invoked against them to return the child back to country of ´habitual residence´.
Anyone reading this, plz don´t intend to take away the child from the other parent despite your hatred towards him/her. Children should not lose a parent because of parents squabble or hatred.
It takes two to create a child, it takes two to raise one. Don´t assume full responsibility half way, unless the local courts grant sole custody to you.
Divorcing in international marriages and child custody is a very difficult situation and best way to move forward is by joint parenting with zero intentions of snatching, alienating, brainwashing all other evil emotions.
The laws of Karma are intact and strong and the guilty will be made to pay by the forces of nature. Also, the abducted Children will eventually grow up and find the truth one day and may hate the abducting parent.
May God bless everyone in this situation. This is a true test of sainthood.
If HC or not, it is just the international way to strip primary carers of their human rights and the possibility to actually look after their child. As generally in contact arrangements, the child should be of paramount consideration and this is accoding to attachment theorists clearly only 1 person, who should be acessible at all times. Children do form more attachments, but they have an priority list in this. The equal share of parenting therewith is not in the benefit of a child, but solely a mathematical interest of adults (see as well current frensh discussions). How can it be better to push a kid from one person and home to another and refusing the child a stable home? How is it in the best interest of the child, that a location is judged of higher importance than the actual living conditions - welfare and affordability for the primary carer? How is a child going to grow up having to whitness the main carer being unhappy, deprived of all human rights to see their extended family, have a stable job and income because they are not allowed to follow up the job their offered?
I absolutely agree, that a child has the right to see and have contact with ALL family and this should be legally enforced, but to force shared parenting without the natural choice and to force the main carer to live without their social and financial support in an alien country, is not understandable.
Child abduction is one person removing the child without knowledge of the other person and refusal of contact - as such not the frequency of contact counts, but the quality.